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jack
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 3193 Location: 19th & Lamont
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: Single sales ban |
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| jl wrote: | To be honest, it seems suspect that the elected commissioners would unanimously vote for something that (right, wrong or indifferent) the local population would never had agreed to if given a full vote.
given the 18 pages of heated conversation on this issue in this forum, it seems like an ideological, cliquish vote regardless of the details.
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Well, you'll have to ask the other commissioners why they supported the resolutions opposing the single-sales ban. Not only do all six current commissioners reject the ban, but the commissioners of 2004 did as well. Speaking for myself, I am not going to support what is clearly bad public policy.
You should consider also the oath of office of ANC commissioners: I "do solemnly swear or affirm that . . . I will exercise my best judgment and will consider each matter before me from the viewpoint of the best interest of the District of Columbia, as a whole". Not what's best for our little bit of the District, but for the District, "as a whole".
Perhaps that's why not one Ward One ANC supports single sales bans. And not one Mount Pleasant commissioner, during the six years that I've been on this ANC, has supported the singles ban.
| jl wrote: | | the resolution confirms that public drunkenness 'just went away' after the singles ban. You still have yet to convince me that we NEED to bring back public drunkenness to our neighborhood in order to fight the bigger problem. |
Part of the debate here has been about compelling the ban advocates to admit this truth: that the singles ban works only by shoving one's own problem population into somebody else's neighborhood. They have been very, very reluctant to make that admission, no doubt because they're embarrassed by this truth. They would rather believe that the singles ban magically reforms alcohol abusers.
As for "bring[ing] back public drunkenness" -- do we know, today, that this would be the result? It's been eight years since the VA ban was imposed, and things have changed here. One possibility is that the moving of the McKenna's Wagon homeless feeding operation across 16th Street into Columbia Heights took away a considerable portion of our homeless people. How can we find out, except by a trial suspension of the ban?
Once we agree on the facts -- first, that the ban works only by displacing our problem into adjacent neighborhoods, and second, that the termination of the ban (maybe) thus brings more troublesome people into Mount Pleasant -- we can proceed to a debate of the propriety of the ban. We've never had such a discussion.
-- Jack |
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jl
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 45
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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I fully agree that the ban works only in pushing the problem out of our neighborhood. And if I were here 8 years ago we might have teamed up to propose a real solution instead of a cosmetic one.
But the ban IS in effect, drunks (potentially dangerous) are out of the way of my wife and baby, and lifting the ban produces no gains towards fixing the real problem.
Frankly, the fight towards lifting the ban seems to be just as symbolic as the initial imposing of it. As if to show who is the real social thinker and who are the callous NIMBYs. The only difference is that the former produced (selfish?) results while the latter only potentially alleviates guilt.
A realistic view might accept that folks are always going to support something that immediately keeps them safe and brightens their daily lives. But that doesn't have to be the end of it. It doesn't mean they won't support efforts to EXPAND upon a singles ban to fight systemic problems if given a choice.
Bringing 'bad' things into peoples lives to prove a point isn't a real choice - it does nothing to help the indigent problem. |
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admin Site Admin
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 422 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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From DC Watch:
Single Sales Ban Matt Forman, (Adams Morgan resident and Kalorama Citizens Association Board Member)
Jack McKay, in the last issue of themail [September 13] repeats his argument that single sales of alcoholic drinks should not be banned in Mt. Pleasant because doing so might push the problem of public intoxication to neighboring areas. But Mr. McKay was elected to the ANC by his Mt. Pleasant constituents to represent their interests, not those of neighboring areas. Should the neighboring areas wish to address the problem, they are free to do so. Indeed, in this case, a friend of mine informs me that many neighboring Columbia Heights residents are also in favor of the ban. The other solution to Mr. McKay’s concerns is to simply make the ban city wide. |
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